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Rye and Mosaic

Mashing
#1

Howdy, all.

I’m tinkering with recipe that uses mostly Mosaic hops, which I’ve never used before. I’m expecting exotic fruitiness. But I wanted to add some rye to the brew as well (as is my normal practice). Any thoughts on the flavors? Any clash between Mosaic and rye?

Thanks.

[code]BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Mosaic
Brewer: Larry Tate
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications

Boil Size: 13.87 gal
Post Boil Volume: 12.74 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 12.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 11.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.061 SG
Estimated Color: 9.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 95.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 76.6 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
12.00 gal Tate Aquifers Water 1 -
23 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 85.2 %
2 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.4 %
2 lbs Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 7.4 %
2.00 oz Magnum [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 35.8 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.25 %] - Boil 20.0 m Hop 6 22.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.25 %] - Boil 20.0 m Hop 7 11.1 IBUs
2.50 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 16.2 IBUs
2.50 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 60.0 Hop 10 9.7 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 11 -
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 27 lbs

Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 8.69 gal of water at 163.3 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (1.61gal, 7.06gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:

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#2

The Mosaic hops are super strong and will cover up your rye completely. Use about 3 times as much and you might be able to taste just a slight hint of rye. Use 4 times as much and you’ll start to taste it more.

#3

Hm, now you are scaring me with the Mosaic. Sounds like they are flavor grenades.

#4

Yes. Yes they are. One of the strongest hops you have ever tasted in your life. A little goes a very very long way.

#5

This was not my experience. It was definitely there and obvious but not overpowering and I had no problem tasting the underlying base malts. I used about 4 oz of leaf hops between late additions and dry hop.

EDIT: I just read your recipe and there is quite a bit more than I used. Curiously you have 2 additions at 20 minutes of the same hops. was that an error or do you really mean 3oz at 20 minutes?

#6

At 7.4% rye, you’ll have a hard time telling it’s there no matter what hops you use.

#7

Yikes. Backing away slowly from the Mosaic packages… Perhaps I’ll dial up the rye and tone down the hops.

Something more like this, which is 83 IBUs or so:

[code]BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Mosaic 100
Brewer: Larry Tate
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications

Boil Size: 13.87 gal
Post Boil Volume: 12.74 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 12.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 11.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.065 SG
Estimated Color: 9.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 83.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 76.6 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
12.00 gal Tate Aquifer, NH Water 1 -
23 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 79.3 %
4 lbs Rye, Flaked (2.0 SRM) Grain 3 13.8 %
2 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.9 %
2.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 5 40.1 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.25 %] - Boil 20.0 m Hop 6 21.4 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 12.5 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0.0 Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 60.0 Hop 9 9.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 10 -
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 29 lbs

Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 9.31 gal of water at 168.1 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (1.23gal, 7.06gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:

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#8

Closer…my opinion is that you need at least 15% rye malt for it to be noticeable in the beer. I prefer closer to 20% and have gone as high as 40%. I don’t find flaked rye to have as much flavor as rye malt, so you may want to go a little higher.

#9

If you want to get a feeling for what Mosaic can do check out Souther Tier’s 2xOne. It’s basically a single grain single hop beer. They use Mosaic to compensate and it still comes off as an IPA but maybe a little fruitier IMO.

#10

Ok, thanks guys. I moved the rye up to 5 pounds–almost 17% of the grain bill. I’m shooting for around 80 IBU.

#11

I have done a mosaic ryePA and here is mine. I had plenty of people say they could taste the rye, but as you can see I used less hops. I myself, and others felt the mosaic gave off a blueberry flavor and maybe the citra and mosaic did not work very well together. This beer came out a bit more fruity than I wanted , but was a decent beer. If I were to brew it again I would change a few things, but I figured I would at least share.

Ingredients:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
11 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 81.5 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 2 11.1 %
12.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 3 5.6 %
4.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 4 1.9 %
0.50 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 20.8 IBUs
0.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 5.6 IBUs
0.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 5.1 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 7.5 IBUs
0.50 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 7.5 IBUs
0.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 2.2 IBUs
0.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 2.1 IBUs
0.25 oz Mosaic [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 2.1 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 13 -

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