I have been using the Gemini AI on my phone for beer brewing related questions. Have found it exceptionally useful and time saving. Its soooo much better than chatgpt when it first came out. You just talk to it and explain what you want and it researches it and it tells you answer as both voice and text. I have been asking Gemini stuff that I would normally post here and or google. Like I ask it “what are some good substitutions for german tradition hops” and bang I get the answer. Not typing involved.
Alexa is stupid, siri is OK, gemini is a few orders of magnitude better than siri.
I’ll assume that the idea of using your imagination is not up to the task? Brewing isn’t about instant gratification… it’s the hands on “try and see”. Then the process…
I was trying to sell my brew stuff a few years ago. I got an offer that was Pennies on the dollar. I denied that, then the question back to me was, “why would I pay that much when I can buy sumptin for a lot less”. I told the person, mine is a mini brewery, those “plug and play” ones take the human effect out and you only brew what they offer.
Just like music, only a sequence of notes… but with a soul, it becomes a story, not just a tune.
Have I gone too far? I enjoy the human aspect.
Sneezles
I would imagine that AI would be successful in something’s related to brewing. However, it lacks true experience and only works on theory. Reality is a whole different thing. Sure, you can use 5-10% honey malt in your beer. But my experience says you use 10% you’ll be sorry.
Yeah when I do a search the Gemini is the first result. I usually just scroll past . The answer seems dry and impersonal. Facts only which I guess for some may be enough. I prefer the human component
Here’s a perfect example of how AI doesn’t work in brewing. I’m currently imbibing one of my favorite beers, New Glarus Moon Man. And for some reason I casually googled what yeast it uses to see if there was any info out there. For anyone who knows NG is VERY VERY tight lipped on anything in regards to beer, and IMO Dan Carey dislikes homebrewers.
Here’s what it said:
New Glarus Moon Man utilizes San Diego Super Yeast (White Labs WLP090) for fermentation. This yeast strain is known for its clean fermentation profile, making it well-suited for producing a crisp, refreshing beer like Moon Man. The [recipe on Brewer’s Friend]…’
Now I have had this beer a thousand times and have actually brewed a beer in homage to it. I’ve made it with Chico strains as well as building up dregs from the beer itself. It is not even close to a Chico strain . Again, experience will show you the way
Probably the algorithm saw that a majority of recipes by who knows who and of what quality used that yeast then gave the description of the yeast from the producer. Maybe qualify the search to only search 5 star recipes by award winners or something like that and se what comes up
Hey everyone! I’m a pro brewer and amateur software developer. I’ve been working on an AI app called MashGPT for several months and just finished the 1st version. It’s been fine-tuned to specifically answer beer questions and help with recipes. It’s NOT intended to replace the brewer, or the human aspect of craft brewing - it’s simply intended to be another tool for brewers. Anyway, check it out and let me know what you think! This is the 1st version so more features are on the way, and the AI will only get smarter and faster as I keep adding brew-related datasets to it. Cheers!
I resisted deleting this and your link but will give it a chance. A lot of us feel AI stuff is not creative because we have been doing this on our own for a long time with only the help of other humans. If it turns into spam type stuff poof and it’s gone.
Yeah, I completely understand how divisive AI can be, which is why I really try to encourage its use more as an “assistant” rather than a “replacement”.
AI isn’t going anywhere and it’s only going to become more prevalent in our lives. As this thread has proven, people are already using AI for brewing assistance (and getting incorrect results). In fact, I was using it, too, until I realized how inaccurate it could be. If people are going to use AI in their brewing, I would prefer that they get accurate information, especially new brewers who are more likely to give up the hobby out of frustration or failure.
Anyway, I promise this will be my only post about it. I do understand most forums have rules forbidding ads and such so I wasn’t surprised when the post was hidden initially. I really do appreciate you giving it (and me) another chance by leaving it up.
I’m the sole developer and owner of the app, and not some software company trying to make a profit. Obviously, I would like to see the app succeed monetarily, but that’s not the sole reason I created it. I was unhappy with the inaccuracies of general AI bots and wanted something better. My main income and passion is still my brewery. The app is just a side project.
I do hope the stigma of AI settles down and people can start to appreciate it as a tool to enhance their creativity and not replace it.
I’m not for a bot.
A bot will never replace what I have done/learned. I brew with an electric system. Not configured by someone else. I set and monitor my temps just as I did with a gas setup.
I’ve been hands on with construction, music and brewing.
Sure a bot can out think me, but it’s not hands on. Show me how you do it… here’s my chainsaw… start it first and then we’ll talk. The rest of you lazy knowledge seekers get a life!!!
Perhaps I’m irritated because AI can’t DO the job.
Sneezles
So I was bored today and asked ChatGPT to develop a 10.5gal Oktoberfest recipe using Munich, Vienna, pils, and Maris otter malt targeting 25ibu with noble hops. It came up with a pretty decent recipe; malt, hops, yeast, mash schedule, water profile… was impressed. But, I wanted to see if it would replicate it. So I closed out and after a couple hours, ask for it to pull up my recipe and it gave me a different recipe. I called it out and it ‘admitted’ to being different and again, gave me the ‘original’ recipe, which again was not the same. I again called it out and then got the correct original recipe. So, I thought let’s see what it would do when I ask for a Festbier recipe, and it gave me the same malts, just at different amounts. I called it out on the fact that Maris Otter isn’t in festbier and it agreed, saying it got essentially confused and used malts similar to the OFest because we were just talking about that. I then said something smart@$$ed about not being smarter than a human and it agrees that it looks at data and is theoretical.
Anyone else mess around with AI doing this? Initially I was impressed with the recipe as it was accurate. But now, it appears that it will give me whatever I want based on the prompts. Good thing I didn’t want a late charge of Cascade in the recipe!
Not being very digital to begin with, I don’t encourage AI.
It sure seems to be everywhere now and it’s not going away. Bad or good? I think that depends on how you use it. Maybe brewers will enjoy letting a computer design brews? Maybe there’ll be Picobrews that AI can run, start to finish. I wonder when it’ll buy the grain, measure it out, crush it and add it. Then hook up all the gizmos and clean up afterwards?
I’m not banging on it, just knowing it won’t replace replace me.
I agree. As I said it gave me three different recipes with the SAME prompt. How do I know I’m getting the best recipe? While I see AI being beneficial in some arenas, I see it as a problem in others. There is still nothing that beats hand on experience. Even the IBUS in your beer program are theoretical unless you have them scientifically tested. And, I bet you’d be surprised how much off they can be.
. Again, experience will show you the way
