Seriously? Where/What 3 month course was that?
Was it a $300 technical college class?
Are you happy in your “career”?
Most importantly, do you have a pension?[/quote]
Sounds like the sour grapes of someone who dropped a bunch of coin at University of Phoenix and is now working part time at Walmart, pension-less of course. Why should a teacher not get a pension (which is just compensation, really no different from a salary) just because your dickhead of a boss took yours away?
[quote=“ManfredBenson1st”]
[size=80]Interesting.
Besides curiosity what are the benefits of holding a “Craft Beer Certification”.
Kinda sounds like a “money making / self promotion” scheme to me.[/size]…[/quote]
I kind of agree.
Seems harmless enough though, and I suppose they’ll probably have some signups. Hell…35 years ago I probably would have signed up for it myself.
I hate to admit it, but I’m not so sure about the ‘Cicerone’ program either…but again, it seems harmless. I thought of going thru it just for the hell of it; after 40+ years of seriously studying beer, it would probably be kind of a breeze. But as a Brit friend of mine is fond of saying, “…it all seems a bit ‘twee’…”
I suppose though that in the end, it’s all good.
I think these sorts of things come under the category of “whatever floats your boat.”
Nice attitude. Looks like you’ll be in that oral/written communications class yourself. Why does a teacher deserve a tax payer paid pension when most everyone else has to contribute to their own retirement out of their own paycheck? Let teachers do the same. Let government employees do the same. No free ride for anyone.
Old_Dawg wrote:
“I taught vocational education (Cisco networking, Microsoft systems, and general PC maintenance for 15 years (after 20 years in the Air Force) and I did not get rich. I now get about $400/month in retirement pay for my effort.”
“So you get a check from Social Security, the Air Force and a check from the education institution. Air Force retirement… I can agree with, tax payers footing the bill for “your effort” at a school, you make it sound like you’re owed that money. What about every other worker who doesn’t get a pension, what makes you so special? Down with teachers unions and pensions. You fund your own retirement like everyone else.”
Yes, I believe that when I contribute to a retirement program I am owed some retirement pay. And, I also funded my own retirement so I can live comfortably without having to depend on only retirement pay. There’s nothing special about that.
I’ll get back to you on the statistics.
But, back to the point of the discussion: What’s the problem with a local college offering a brewing course? Home brew shops and clubs do this regularly. If you don’t want to take the course, you aren’t required to do so.
Relax, don’t worry, have a home brew!
Sure, if you contributed out of your own money, like everyone else, that’s fine. If the taxpayers were funding your pension, then that’s not acceptable, IMHO.
Manfred, FYI - teachers DO fund their own pensions with the money they contribute from every paycheck they receive their entire careers. That money is invested in order to grow. NO tax dollars are involved. Period.
Time to find to another gripe. You’re out of your league on this one…
Seriously? Where/What 3 month course was that?
Was it a $300 technical college class?
Are you happy in your “career”?
Most importantly, do you have a pension?[/quote]
Yes, Brewlab training and analysis.
not $300. although $300 is nothing, if I believed it would have helped, I would consider it. Seems like a pretty simple, yes or no, to me.
yes.
Building my 401k.
[quote=“Psebrute”]Manfred, FYI - teachers DO fund their own pensions with the money they contribute from every paycheck they receive their entire careers. That money is invested in order to grow. NO tax dollars are involved. Period.
Time to find to another gripe. You’re out of your league on this one…[/quote]
You really wanna go down the teachers union road…
Sure, it was a dig at a cheap course. You paid a thousand+ US dollars for yours? I’m glad it was worth it. Who hired you as a brewer?
That’s what I got from it. If someone is willing to pay and gains some knowledge, great. If the course attracts new brewers, even better.
I don’t think it’s a scam. :roll:
What I don’t understand is how someone new* to a forum acts like such a bitch**. Must be the same troll that goes to a party of a friend of a friend, drinks their beer, leaves a turd in the toilet, then runs the dog over peeling out in his old truck.
*Not talking about experience.
**Not talking about a female dog.
[quote=“mrv”]That’s what I got from it. If someone is willing to pay and gains some knowledge, great. If the course attracts new brewers, even better.
I don’t think it’s a scam. :roll:
What I don’t understand is how someone new* to a forum acts like such a bitch**. Must be the same troll that goes to a party of a friend of a friend, drinks their beer, leaves a turd in the toilet, then runs the dog over peeling out in his old truck.
*Not talking about experience.
**Not talking about a female dog[/quote]
Nice language and attitude, makes you look professional 
I don’t think it’s a scam either, though the agenda being promoted could definitely be called into question.
[quote=“ManfredBenson1st”][quote=“mrv”]That’s what I got from it. If someone is willing to pay and gains some knowledge, great. If the course attracts new brewers, even better.
I don’t think it’s a scam. :roll:
What I don’t understand is how someone new* to a forum acts like such a bitch**. Must be the same troll that goes to a party of a friend of a friend, drinks their beer, leaves a turd in the toilet, then runs the dog over peeling out in his old truck.
*Not talking about experience.
**Not talking about a female dog[/quote]
Nice language and attitude, makes you look professional
I don’t think it’s a scam either, though the agenda being promoted could definitely be called into question.[/quote]
Not professional, just a homebrewer. Sorry if I offended you ma’am.
As for attitude, why join a forum and just look for a fight? Act like a lady.
Manfred, As you may have noticed, I got overheated when I took your initial comment about “incompetent teachers” as a blanket statement about all teachers. Sorry to have jumped to that conclusion with no more evidence.
It sounds like you’ve had a bad experience with a course like the one we are (occasionally) touching on here. Tell us about it. Maybe we can get back on track and shed a little light on the actual subject.
Old Dawg - as a side note to all of this, I’d like to thank you for your 20 years of service in the Air Force. You have not only earned that retirement check, but our gratitude as well. Well done!
I think we can all agree that there’s clearly nothing H about your O’s.
Nice attitude. Looks like you’ll be in that oral/written communications class yourself. Why does a teacher deserve a tax payer paid pension when most everyone else has to contribute to their own retirement out of their own paycheck? Let teachers do the same. Let government employees do the same. No free ride for anyone.[/quote]
Not sure where to start unpacking your uninformed drivel…delivered on a homebrew forum no less. Not sure where you came to the conclusion that a pension is somehow a free ride, rather than a rather standard, collectively bargained compensation agreement that entices quality, highly educated people who otherwise might go into more lucrative careers to instead become teachers. Also, in case you didn’t know, you actually have to work (read: earn) as a teacher to qualify for a pension, they’re not just handing them out on the street. Also, teachers generally fund much of their own pension (where I live, teachers pay 10% of their gross salary into the pension system). Also, teachers do not generally qualify for social security, which means you, the all-important TAXPAYER, saves 7.65% of every teacher’s salary in the form of FICA taxes you do not have to pay on their behalf. Also, teacher salaries and pension costs are mostly funded by property taxes, so if you don’t own property you really don’t pay for squat. And if you do own property, and pay those taxes, you get the benefit of…oh lets see…an education for your children. Not to mention property values are quite dependent on the quality of the local school district, so even if you don’t have kids you still benefit from the value of a quality school district. And a craft brewing course offered by a local community college for a few hundred bucks seems like a good way for people to learn about brewing without spending a whole lot of cash…you just sound like a guy who loves to bitch about things.
That’s what I got from it. If someone is willing to pay and gains some knowledge, great. If the course attracts new brewers, even better.
I don’t think it’s a scam. :roll:
What I don’t understand is how someone new* to a forum acts like such a bitch**. Must be the same troll that goes to a party of a friend of a friend, drinks their beer, leaves a turd in the toilet, then runs the dog over peeling out in his old truck.
*Not talking about experience.
**Not talking about a female dog.[/quote]
:cheers:
For the record, I wish this class was offered years ago when I started. I read and read about brewing, but feel I much better suited to visual learning. A teacher who earned their pension having to deal with brats like me taught me that.
I don’t want to speak for someone whose language I don’t even speak, but I will clarify that my ‘mistrust’ of the education system is specifically toward higher education, exorbitant tuition, granite-countertop-stainless-steel-appliance dorm rooms and tenured professors working 22-hour workweeks.
Primary/Secondary education is a whole 'nuther animal. I do agree that teachers, by and large, are motivated by altruistic, noble and in some cases selfless aspirations. However, when whining about compensation, I do wish that teachers acknowledged their true compensation on an hourly basis/when factoring in 3 months off per year and workdays that generally end at 3pm (I know many teachers stay after and work from home onlesson plans, etc.)
The cool thing about this message board is that we get to discuss beer.
Hell, I’m not even a teacher. I just think they’re an easy scapegoat for people bitchin about high taxes and a piss-poor education system, and sometimes it’s just fun to rant for a bit…even if its way off topic.
