Sodium. Percarbonate

[wilcolandzaat]

Been reading. About this. Can you use this. As cleaning. Product. For example. Kegs. Or. Fermentors.

[hd4mark]

PBW and other cleaners we use are percarbonates. Probably the best choice for cleaning homebrew equipment.

[wilcolandzaat]

Me do use. Pwb and starsan. As my major cleaning. Product. But me thinking. First clean with the sodium percarbonate. Than on keg day. Or brewing day. Clean with. Pwb and starsan. Kind of anal mayby. Cleaning twice. But hey its my system. And i like it. Today. Pilsner. Brew session

[Grantmesteven]

Does anyone use oxiclean versatile?

[mrv]

I do. It’s a percarbonate. I believe any color safe “bleach” is. There was a recipe for something similar to PBW.
It was Oxyclean, tsp substitute, and a mild powdered dish detergent. I made up about 4lbs but I’m getting low, so I’ll have to see if I can find it.

[mrv]

@brewdvm

I’ve actually looked into this just a few days ago. On Home Brew Talk’s forum, there was a chemistry discussion, and someone came up with this recipe for homemade PBW:

96oz tub of Sun Oxygen Cleaner (generic Oxyclean Versatile)

4lb box of Red Devil TSP substitute. Make sure it’s this brand because hardware store brands of TSP substitute is not sodium metasilicate which is what you want. We know from PBW’s MSDS that it’s 30% sodium metasilicate. The rest is a bit of a guess. Wears gloves with this stuff! It’s highly alkaline!

45oz box of Seventh Generation dishwasher detergent (adds chelators and surfactants especially if you have hard water). Hard water makes Oxyclean leave a cloudy film as I understand it. This ingredient helps that. I found this at the grocery store in my area. Make sure it’s the dishwasher detergent and not the laundry detergent.

I had to order the Red Devil on ebay, but when you look on Amazon for Red Devil, one of the frequently bought together items is Oxyclean. So I suspect a lot of homebrewers are mixing at least these 2 ingredients. But the TSP is the most expensive at $15.00. The dishwasher detergent is $5.00. I figure this recipe is 1/3 the cost of PBW. On the other forum above mentioned, it has been used on several cleanups with good success. I’m planning on using it on my next batch.

Ace Hardware carries the Red Devil tsp sub. Any paint supply should.
Sodium. Percarbonate

[wilcolandzaat]

Me was reading the same thing. Got me thinking. Why not use sodium precarbonate. For keg cleaning. My idea. Clean kegs with this. On keg day. Me clean one more time with pbw. And starsan. My wife ask me if i need something from the supermarket. Told her look for sodium. Precarbonate. She did find. 2 lbs. Bag. For 1.89 dollar. See if this works. Soon

[dannyboy58]

We had a discussion like this a couple of years ago on here. I think someone calculated the cost of PBW to something like 25 cents per 5 gallons mixed. Personally, I’ll go with the convenience of ordering a big container of PBW and scooping it out when I need it over mixing up a bunch of stuff to save 5-6 pennies per cleaning.

[wilcolandzaat]

Dont get me wrong. Me still use. Pdw. But i was reading the artical. About sodium percarbonate. Was thinking. Mayby use it for keg cleaning. Than on keg day use pdw. And starsan just a thought

[dannyboy58]

Just sounds like overkill to me but if it makes you happy clean away brother!

[Grantmesteven]

Yeh I just use straight oxiclean and it works fine for me

[WMNoob]

Yup. Another option is to clean kegs with high pressure and soak with sanitizer. I generally din’t use soap in my kegs unless they’re really nasty. If they’re bad i use mild dish washing soap and hot water, Most of the time it’s high pressure water and a scrub brush followed by Star San.

[Grantmesteven]

I agree. A rinse with hot water seems to suffice followed by star san. I soak my carboy in oxiclean and water for a day or 2 to break down the krausen ring and then scrub it off with a brush. Very simple and quick.