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Deschutes Obsidian Stout clone - help with 'black malt'

I was listening to past episodes of the BN’s Can You Brew It and really want to try brewing Deschutes Obsidian Stout. The recipe calls for 1.43 lbs of Black Malt. Is Black Malt the same thing as Black Patent? If so, it seems to be adding 1.43 lbs of Black Patent is way too much, seems I’ve always heard to use Black Patent in moderation. Or is Black Malt something entirely different from Black Patent? Thanks!

Recipe:

WLP002 or Wyeast 1968. Ferment at 65F to start and increase to

11.9 lbs US 2-row
1.43 lbs black barley malt
1.1 lbs crystal 80
0.66 lbs carapils
0.66 lbs munich 10l
0.66 lbs wheat
50g roasted barley

30g Galena 13%AAat 90min
30g Williamette 5%AA at 30min
30g Northern Brewer 9%AA at 5min

Mash at 149F

Black Patent, it is the same as Black Malt. I had the same question when I used it the first time and in iBrewMaster it is listed as Black (Patent) Malt.

I can’t really help with the amount, only used it in small amounts so far. But I just Googled the recipe and all the sources I found had that same amount and has really good reviews so I say go with it!!

I’ll add that there is a difference between black malt and debittered black malt. Not sure which one this recipe requires.

There are some great articles on BYO.com about black malts, and using them in large quantites. Great reads.

Briess has a roasted malt they call Black Barley. That may be what they’re referring to.

http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/recipe/ ... tout-clone

Deschutes list black barley and roasted barley on their page

http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/recipe/ ... tout-clone

I’d probably go with the Briess black barley.

[quote=“BrewingRover”]Briess has a roasted malt they call Black Barley. That may be what they’re referring to.

http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/recipe/ ... tout-clone

Deschutes list black barley and roasted barley on their page

http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/recipe/ ... tout-clone

I’d probably go with the Briess black barley.[/quote]

This is what you want. I have made this recipe several times and it comes out pretty darn close.

+1 for brides black malt (same thing as black patent). I’ve made this recipe several times too and its on the money. The only change I made was mashing hotter for more mouth feel.

Thanks guys, I’ll order some Briess black barley and brew this one.

Cheers,

Jeff

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