Dead Ringer starter

[hoppman21]

All,

My next batch is going to be the Dead Ringer Ale and I was wondering if a yeast starter is absolutely necessary? I know the directions recommend making one, but can the wort be fermented with just using the smack pack that came with the kit?

Thanks,

Matt

[mattbrew83]

[quote=“Hoppman21”]All,

My next batch is going to be the Dead Ringer Ale and I was wondering if a yeast starter is absolutely necessary? I know the directions recommend making one, but can the wort be fermented with just using the smack pack that came with the kit?

Thanks,

Matt[/quote]

If you are using the us 05 then no you do not need a starter…if you are using the 1056 then yes make a 2L starter

[loopie_beer]

When making any beer over 1.040 and using liquid yeast I would suggest making a starter. It is especially important to make a starter if you ordered the yeast via mail and the temps are high. Not only will it provide more yeast to pitch, it gives them a head start on their party.

[hoppman21]

Thanks for the respone guys. I figured a starter was the way to go. Unfortunately I had to order the flask and the DME for the starter from NB so I will have to wait to brew I do however have 2 cases of the American Wheat that I made so I have plenty to drink for now. Although I am itching to get brewing again!

What are your thoughts if I had a package of 05? Would that work on the Dead Ringer?

[grizz_talker]

[quote=“Hoppman21”]Thanks for the respone guys. I figured a starter was the way to go. Unfortunately I had to order the flask and the DME for the starter from NB so I will have to wait to brew I do however have 2 cases of the American Wheat that I made so I have plenty to drink for now. Although I am itching to get brewing again!

What are your thoughts if I had a package of 05? Would that work on the Dead Ringer?[/quote]

Anxious for the feedback on this question as well.

[560sdl]

[quote=“Hoppman21”]

What are your thoughts if I had a package of 05? Would that work on the Dead Ringer?[/quote]

I would think so as it is listed as the default yeast (dry) for the kit by the designer of the recipe (NM)

[mattbrew83]

[quote=“Hoppman21”]Thanks for the respone guys. I figured a starter was the way to go. Unfortunately I had to order the flask and the DME for the starter from NB so I will have to wait to brew I do however have 2 cases of the American Wheat that I made so I have plenty to drink for now. Although I am itching to get brewing again!

What are your thoughts if I had a package of 05? Would that work on the Dead Ringer?[/quote]

US 05 is pretty much dry 1056…yes it will work great

[chris_p]

[quote=“Hoppman21”]All,

My next batch is going to be the Dead Ringer Ale and I was wondering if a yeast starter is absolutely necessary? I know the directions recommend making one, but can the wort be fermented with just using the smack pack that came with the kit?

Thanks,

Matt[/quote]

I would make a 1.5L starter with 1 smack pack or package of dry yeast.

[jeff4amnesty]

@mattbrew83

US 05 is pretty much dry 1056…yes it will work great

+1 I use dry US 05 in every recipe that calls for 1056 to avoid the hassle of having to make a starter. As an added bonus it saves me a little money.

[mattbrew83]

@Jeff4Amnesty

[quote=“mattbrew83”]US 05 is pretty much dry 1056…yes it will work great

+1 I use dry US 05 in every recipe that calls for 1056 to avoid the hassle of having to make a starter. As an added bonus it saves me a little money.[/quote]

That’s right i hear ya brother

[nate42]

US05 is a fine yeast for any time you want a nice clean basic ale yeast (ie pretty much any american style ale). When fermented on the cool side its not bad for mock lagers either. I use it a lot, and I ALWAYS use it in recipes that call for 1056.

[muddywater_grant]

[quote=“Chris-P”][quote=“Hoppman21”]All,

My next batch is going to be the Dead Ringer Ale and I was wondering if a yeast starter is absolutely necessary? I know the directions recommend making one, but can the wort be fermented with just using the smack pack that came with the kit?

Thanks,

Matt[/quote]

I would make a 1.5L starter with 1 smack pack or package of dry yeast.[/quote]

Making a starter with dry yeast isn’t recommended. Most studies say it hurts the yeast more than helps.

[hoppman21]

Thanks. From everything I have read they seem pretty similar. I got 2 kits as a gift and the 1056 came with one of them and 05 with the other. Not sure which came with which, but I figured for my first batch I would use the 05 since I had no idea what a starter was! (The only time I’ve ever used a started was on the golf course!) I used the 05 for the American Wheat, so I have the 1056 in the fridge. I ordered the emergency kit from NB which has the 3 packs of 05, the caps and the muslin bags. I also ordered the 2ml starter kit. It will be my first starter so I’ll see how it comes out. I’ll let you know when I actually brew it.

@Jeff4Amnesty

[quote=“mattbrew83”]US 05 is pretty much dry 1056…yes it will work great

+1 I use dry US 05 in every recipe that calls for 1056 to avoid the hassle of having to make a starter. As an added bonus it saves me a little money.[/quote]

[stealthcruiser]

Making a starter with dry yeast isn’t recommended. Most studies say it hurts the yeast more than helps.[/quote]

Elaborate, please Sir…Seems like it would give it a “leg up” on the work to be done ahead.
Not tryin’ to be difficult, just wanna’ learn! :cheers:

[muddywater_grant]

Making a starter with dry yeast compromises yeast health and viability

The reason dry yeast starters are not recommended is that part of the process of creating dry yeast involves maximizing the yeast’s internal nutrients and such at the moment before drying. Making a starter with dry yeast actually uses up those nutrients and such.

Theoretically, it is a bad idea since dry yeast already have their glycol reserves stored and in suspension and making a starter could cause them to blow their reserves. The idea of making a starter is to grow up enough cells. With dry yeast you can be fairly certain on the # of viable cells in the packet so a starter is not needed and could be detrimental if the starter is too small.

http://www.mrmalty.com/starter_faq.php

Another case where you generally don’t want to make a starter is with dry yeast. It is usually cheaper and easier to just buy more dry yeast than it would be to make a starter large enough for most dry yeast packs. Many experts suggest that placing dry yeasts in a starter would just deplete the reserves that the yeast manufacturer worked so hard to build into their product. For dry yeasts, just do a proper rehydration in tap water, do not make a starter.

[chris_p]

[quote=“muddywater_grant”]Making a starter with dry yeast compromises yeast health and viability

The reason dry yeast starters are not recommended is that part of the process of creating dry yeast involves maximizing the yeast’s internal nutrients and such at the moment before drying. Making a starter with dry yeast actually uses up those nutrients and such.

Theoretically, it is a bad idea since dry yeast already have their glycol reserves stored and in suspension and making a starter could cause them to blow their reserves. The idea of making a starter is to grow up enough cells. With dry yeast you can be fairly certain on the # of viable cells in the packet so a starter is not needed and could be detrimental if the starter is too small.

http://www.mrmalty.com/starter_faq.php

Another case where you generally don’t want to make a starter is with dry yeast. It is usually cheaper and easier to just buy more dry yeast than it would be to make a starter large enough for most dry yeast packs. Many experts suggest that placing dry yeasts in a starter would just deplete the reserves that the yeast manufacturer worked so hard to build into their product. For dry yeasts, just do a proper rehydration in tap water, do not make a starter. [/quote]

Learn something new every day.

[utprizewire]

Following this thread closely because my Dead Ringer should be here today. What I’m getting from this thread that a starter is or isn’t required but one packet of us-05 should be adequate. Which is unfortunate because I ordered the wyeast smack pack. Wondering if double pitching hydrated us-05 and the wyeast together would be a good idea?

Thanks,
UT

[jeff4amnesty]

If you have time to make a starter, do so with the 1056 and save the US 05 for you next batch. If not, then use the US 05 and plan on making a starter with the 1056 for your next batch. You gain nothing by using both in a single batch.

Is the Dead Ringer supposed to be a Rogue Dead Guy Ale clone? If so, I am curious as to why NB isn’t including Pacman yeast in the kit as it is readily available from Wyeast, No. 1764, as it is the yeast Rogue uses in all their beers. Not that the 1056/US05 would result in a bad beer, it’s just that the 1764 will get you closer to Dead Guy, if that is what you are shooting for.

[jeff4amnesty]

@Jeff4Amnesty

Is the Dead Ringer supposed to be a Rogue Dead Guy Ale clone?

Never mind, got off my lazy ass and checked out the kits on our sponsor’s site and learned that Dead Ringer is an IPA. FWIW, I use 05 in my IPAs.

[560sdl]

@Jeff4Amnesty

[quote=“Jeff4Amnesty”]Is the Dead Ringer supposed to be a Rogue Dead Guy Ale clone?

Never mind, got off my lazy ass and checked out the kits on our sponsor’s site and learned that Dead Ringer is an IPA. FWIW, I use 05 in my IPAs.[/quote]

FYI it is a Bell’s 2 hearted ale clone