Denny's Santa's Helper

[JeremyT]

I would like to brew Denny's Santa's Helpter recipe at ~5 gal vs. 8gal for this recipe:

#232 Santa's Helper

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 8.00 Wort Size (Gal): 8.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 24.75
Anticipated OG: 1.074 Plato: 18.04
Anticipated SRM: 17.9
Anticipated IBU: 52.7
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73 %
Wort Boil Time: 70 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 1.50 Gallons Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 9.75 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.061 SG 14.97 Plato


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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97.0 24.00 lbs. Munich Malt Great Western (2- America 1.035 10
3.0 0.75 lbs. CaraMunich 80 France 1.034 80

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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1.60 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.50 5.3 First WH
5.20 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.50 47.4 60 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
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0.00 Unit(s)Whirlfolc Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
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WYeast 1007 German Ale


Mash Schedule
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Mash Name:

Total Grain Lbs: 24.75
Total Water Qts: 26.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water Gal: 6.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass: 0.13
Grain Temp: 65.00 F


Denny said the prefered hops are Spalt for this and to match IBU.
I was having a devil of a time figuring out Promash to get this to jive right and make sense at ~5 gal. I guess I'm too much of a newbie. I then tried to use tastybrew's recipe calcutalor but things didn't seems to make sense. I can guess at the malt close enough but the hops are giving me fits.

Does anyone have the kindness in their heart to make sense of this for me with Spalt in Promash?
I would be forever in your debt for the input.

[cyclonebrew]

The grain bill is easy. 97% Munich and 3% CaraMunich 80. For a 5 gallon batch and at 60% efficiency you'd want 14 lbs. of Munich and 0.44 lbs. CaraMunich 80 to hit 1.061.

Spalt are about the same AA as Mt. Hood (on average) so you could probably just use the same amounts listed in the recipe above. Just sub the Spalt directly for Mt. Hood.

[JeremyT]

At the same volume they would produce different results at a ~5gal batch since this is for a 8 gal recipe. My problem is the correct amount for a smaller batch.

[D-Rock]

a 5 gallon batch would be

15 lbs munich
1/2 lb caramunich 80

1 oz fwh mt hood
3.25 60 mt hood

[D-Rock]

spalt and mt hood are very similar in IBU's

for some reason the target ibus, eff., and sg are wrong for the grain bill and hops

[JeremyT]

Thanks d-rock! You're a big help!

[cyclonebrew]

At the same volume they would produce different results at a ~5gal batch since this is for a 8 gal recipe. My problem is the correct amount for a smaller batch.

Sorry, it was late when I typed. Yeah, just reduce the hops to 62.5% of what is in the recipe above (exactly what D-Rock said) and sub Spalt direct for Mt. Hood.

[Denny]

Hope ya enjoy the SH! I've got a batch about 2 weeks into cold conditioning at the moment.....

[BrewerGeorge]

Wonderful beer! I'm just finishing a batch that I brewed last December - I expect the keg to blow anyday now. It's smoooth after a year. I just wish there was a category for this beer, because it's really good. I'd enter it as a barleywine or specialty, but I don't want to waste 3 bottles of this great beer.

[Beerfan]

Wonderful beer! I'm just finishing a batch that I brewed last December - I expect the keg to blow anyday now. It's smoooth after a year. I just wish there was a category for this beer, because it's really good. I'd enter it as a barleywine or specialty, but I don't want to waste 3 bottles of this great beer.

This is good to hear. I just racked mine to the secondary yesterday. I'm thinking that instead of kegging the entire batch I may bottle 12 or so and save for next Christmas. Denny how long are you cold conditioning for?

[Denny]

I cold condition for at least a month, and shoot for 2 if I have the time. Personally, I don't care for nearly as much once it's aged. For my tastes, about 3 months is the outside.

[Denny]

I cold condition for at least a month, and shoot for 2 if I have the time. Personally, I don't care for nearly as much once it's aged. For my tastes, about 3 months is the outside.

[Egleone6]

I cold condition for at least a month, and shoot for 2 if I have the time. Personally, I don't care for nearly as much once it's aged. For my tastes, about 3 months is the outside.

So Goood, it only bears to repeat it.

[Egleone6]

Am I missing something here, or should I check my Mt Dew? I am getting about 108 IBU's on this from ProMash. and the SG is off as well.

Here Look. I have refigured the hops AA% but still in the high 70's....

Santas Helper

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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23-A Specialty Beer, Specialty Beer

Min OG: 1.010 Max OG: 1.200
Min IBU: 0 Max IBU: 100
Min Clr: 0 Max Clr: 90 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 8.00 Wort Size (Gal): 8.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 24.75
Anticipated OG: 1.079 Plato: 19.10
Anticipated SRM: 13.8
Anticipated IBU: 73.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73 %
Wort Boil Time: 70 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 9.70 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.065 SG 15.94 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For First Wort Hops: -10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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97.0 24.00 lbs. Munich Malt(2-row) America 1.035 6
3.0 0.75 lbs. CaraMunich 80 France 1.034 80

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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1.60 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.50 16.4 First WH
5.20 oz. Mt. Hood Whole 4.50 57.2 60 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 1007 German Ale

[Denny]

Am I missing something here, or should I check my Mt Dew? I am getting about 108 IBU's on this from ProMash. and the SG is off as well.

Don't knbow about the OG, but you have your FWH utilization set to -10% and I set mine to -65%. That's gonna make a BIG difference in the numbers, but not the taste.