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Post Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:35 pm

Bells Two Hearted Ale

After looking at several clones I'm seeing varying rates of IBU's. Does ANYONE HAVE a clue about approximate IBUs of a Two Hearted Ale is? I used Centennial hops schedule and I'm looking for some middle ground on this one! I have seen from 47 to the low 80s. HELP!
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Post Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:40 pm

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

My clone is as close as you can get IMHO. We have done many taste tests and I have made at least 150 gallons of it. The IBU's are about 50 but for best results, use late hopping techniques to achieve this bitterness. It takes more hops but is the secret to a wonderful clone. Here is the recipe. Scale to your batch size.

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Post Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:16 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

THX! I think I'm pulling 47 right now...I'll give yours a shot. I agree with the late hop additions..Makes sense!
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Post Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:11 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

That looks like a very solid recipe. I have only had THA maybe 6-8 times in my life but I thought it had a bit of a british yeast character. US-05 is close as far as fermentation profile goes?
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Post Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:28 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

Wahoo wrote:That looks like a very solid recipe. I have only had THA maybe 6-8 times in my life but I thought it had a bit of a british yeast character. US-05 is close as far as fermentation profile goes?


a lot of people say 1272 is basically bells house yeast. but uso5 is so convientent and gets you close enough for my tastes anyways.
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Post Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:39 am

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bdaugherty wrote:a lot of people say 1272 is basically bells house yeast. but uso5 is so convientent and gets you close enough for my tastes anyways.
My thoughts exactly. I don't ever want to make a starter for 22 gallons. US-05 is my yeast of choice.
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Post Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:12 pm

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

MullerBrau wrote:
bdaugherty wrote:a lot of people say 1272 is basically bells house yeast. but uso5 is so convientent and gets you close enough for my tastes anyways.
My thoughts exactly. I don't ever want to make a starter for 22 gallons. US-05 is my yeast of choice.


How many US05 packs do you use for 22 Gallons?

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Post Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:15 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

kenc_zymurgy wrote:How many US05 packs do you use for 22 Gallons?

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For OG<1.080, I use 4 packages. For OG>1.080, I use 6 packages.
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Post Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:10 am

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MullerBrau wrote:
kenc_zymurgy wrote:How many US05 packs do you use for 22 Gallons?

-kenc
For OG<1.080, I use 4 packages. For OG>1.080, I use 6 packages.


so i just had to see what mr malty said for a starter for 22 gal.

with one month old smack packs it will take three smack packs in a 26.75 liter simple starter. thats over 6 gal :shock:

edit OG i entered was 1.067
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Post Wed May 27, 2015 9:53 pm

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

MullerBrau wrote:My clone is as close as you can get IMHO. We have done many taste tests and I have made at least 150 gallons of it. The IBU's are about 50 but for best results, use late hopping techniques to achieve this bitterness. It takes more hops but is the secret to a wonderful clone. Here is the recipe. Scale to your batch size.

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Hey Greg! I finally got around to at least adapting your recipe, and recently tapped it and it's awesome although still not clear since it's super fresh and I squeezed the keg dryhop bag before removing immediately prior to tapping it.

I went a bit lower on alcohol (OG 1.064 / FG 1.012 = 6.87%ABV). Also, I used pellet hops for the 75 and 40 min and dry hop additions, but for the 15, 10 and 5 min I used fresh/vac sealed/frozen centennials from last year calculated at 2%AA. For an 11 gal final yield batch IIRC that equated to ~23 ounces of fresh hops. It tastes very close to the predicted 50 IBUs.

I also used grains in inventory so subbed a little less 40L with a bit more carapils, and for the vienna subbed some munich with just a tad of victory.

Anyway, thanks for the great recipe. This is one I've been wanting to make for a long time and even with all the changes I see why this is one of your favorite beers. Mine has a really juicy orange flavor without losing the prime aspect of a mild IPA profile. :cheers:

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Post Thu May 28, 2015 5:43 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

I'm glad you enjoyed it Steve. I have it on tap now as well. It's a favorite for sure.
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Post Thu May 28, 2015 8:22 am

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Greg, do you think using all cents is the key to the orange magic? Lately I've been hopstanding hard to hit IBU and no bitterness additions and think my hop character is a bit one dimensional. Conventional wisdom says the bitterness additions do not contribute to flavor but I suspect it may, at least with cents. I am long overdue to try an old school brew like your recipe. Curious, if you may have used some other hops before going all cents. Any thoughts appreciated. THA and Founders Centennial have to be in my top 10 beers. Love centennial.
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Post Thu May 28, 2015 8:36 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

I've recently made a 2HA clone, complete with Bell's yeast, that was quite similar to his recipe. It's REALLY HARD to tell the difference between it and the real thing. I don't think you can make a 2HA clone without all centennial hops.
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Post Thu May 28, 2015 8:53 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

zwiller wrote:Greg, do you think using all cents is the key to the orange magic? Lately I've been hopstanding hard to hit IBU and no bitterness additions and think my hop character is a bit one dimensional. Conventional wisdom says the bitterness additions do not contribute to flavor but I suspect it may, at least with cents. I am long overdue to try an old school brew like your recipe. Curious, if you may have used some other hops before going all cents. Any thoughts appreciated. THA and Founders Centennial have to be in my top 10 beers. Love centennial.


Not meaning to threadjack, but this brings up an interesting point. I too, am a huge fan of big hopbursting/whirlpool additions and have found them, without use of the scientific method, to impart the biggest hop flavor. I wonder if single-hopped beers behave differently and there actually is some benefit to 'flavor' additions are 45/30 minutes, or maybe its specific to centennial and one/more of its properties.

I will also say that I am typically not a fan of single-hopped beers, but exceptions are certainly THA, Mosaic, and Citra single-hopped beers.
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Post Thu May 28, 2015 9:32 am

Re: Bells Two Hearted Ale

Pretty sure I will brew an old school cents IPA next to see how it compares the modern whirlpool style technique but a few other things in the pipeline before that.

I've yet to taste a homebrew come close to THA or Founders Cents fresh on DRAFT... Bottled version, sure, but fresh on draft THA/Founders is pound on the table, how do they FN do this?! Incredible. Like they are cheating using hop flavor extract/fruit juice/perfume. I've been searching a long time for this and tried many things unsuccessfully to replicate it. That said, I am currently testing something that might help and I will know in a few weeks whether or not it is a step in the right direction.
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