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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:05 pm

FG too high?

I measured the gravity as I racked my St. Paul porter into the the secondary...it was 1.021. Does this sound like it is too high? I nailed the OG on brewday.
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:13 pm

Re: FG too high?

What yeast, at what temp, what size batch, did you use a starter, what was the OG?
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:16 pm

Re: FG too high?

Safale-04, 64 degrees, 5 gallons, no starter, 1.064
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:28 pm

Re: FG too high?

Looks like you got 68% attenuation which is a little low for this yeast (70-75%) but provided you were fermenting at the low end of the yeasts temperature spectrum and you under pitched slightly by 1.5 grams your beer is probaly be done.
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:31 pm

Re: FG too high?

done fermenting? or throw it out done?
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:33 pm

Re: FG too high?

Completed fermentation, it will be a perfectly good beer. Maybe slightly sweet due to the lower attenuation. Another step in the homebrewing learning process.

Bottle and enjoy all your hard work.
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:38 pm

Re: FG too high?

I was at NB today and picked up a yeast starter kit. I started some this evening for the 3 hearted I plan on brewing tomorrow. Hopefully this helps things a bit.

Greg - Where would I find all of that info on the web? How did you know how much yeast I was supposed to pitch?
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:48 pm

Re: FG too high?

This online yeast pitching rate calculator is really helpful.
http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html

When using dry yeast a person usually will not make a starter and just pitch more packets, as the yeast is packaged with nutirents etc. that will help it in the begining stages of fermentation, making a starter with dry yeast can actually reduce these levels and inhibit the yeasts performance in the begining stages of fermentation.

When using liquid yeast a starter is always a good idea to ensure that the yeast is viable, and that you are pitching the proper amount of yeast. Pitching the proper amount will reduce lag time, produce fewer off flavors, and help to achive better attenuation.

A word of advice for future batches.
The lower temperature may inhibit the yeasts ability to fully attenuate. Try moving the fermenter to a warmer location 65-70 degrees when fermentation is 2/3 to 3/4 complete. This move will increase your overalll attenuation and keep you from getting a sweet tasting or heavy body beer. Also by this point in the fermentation stage the yeast are not producing many if any undesirable by products so the higher temp will not hurt the "clean taste" of the beer.
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:49 pm

Re: FG too high?

One pack of S-04 was enough
You could have warmed it , S-04 tends to stale but you can warm it up towards the end of fermentation to avoid that issue.

DONT make starters for dry yeast
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:08 pm

Re: FG too high?

The starter I made tonight was for Wyeast 1056.

MrMalty says I need 3.38L for the starter on my 3 hearted (being that the date on the package was 11/02/09) that seems like a bit much.

The yeast starter kit said to use 650mL of boiled water and 3/4 cup of DME, then pitch yeast after incubating for 6 hours. Do I have enough?
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Post Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:38 pm

Re: FG too high?

When doing the MrMalty calculator, pick "intermittent shaking" and, well, shake it intermittently. If you got instructions somewhere that specify one starter size without reference to beer gravity, throw them away.
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Post Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:51 am

Re: FG too high?

Also in the NB kit instructions you have there are instructions on making a 2-step starter on the bottom left side of the page. I am assuming that you purchased the kit containing a 1000ml flask, if this is the case I would suggest that you complete a second step on your starter to increase the viable cell count at pitching.
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Post Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:55 am

Re: FG too high?

Well I recalculated on MrMalty using the "intermittant shaking" procedure. It says I need 1.99L of starter. Yes, I did get the 1000mL starter kit from NB....so how do I make a 2L starter in a 1L flask? Can I divide it in half and do 2 at a time? Also, when I pitch the 2L...do I have to compensate in wort volume as to not go over the 5gal. kit size?
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Post Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:09 am

Re: FG too high?

Are you doing this on a stirplate? If not, just use a larger glass container of some kind. If you are then according to MrMalty you only need a 1.3 L starter anyway and could probably just cheat it.

If you absolutely have to use the 1 L flask:
1. Make the largest starter you can without worrying about it foaming over (700 mL? I've never used a flask).
2. Once it ferments out, swirl it up, then pour 90% of it into a sanitized jar and leave the jar in the fridge.
3. Repeat 1-2 as needed until you've done the full volume needed.
4. Once the yeast settles out in the jar, pour off most of the liquid, swirl the yeast back up, and pitch into the beer.

Then start looking for a bigger vessel for next time. The gallon glass jugs that cheap wine comes in work great.
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