This is the Karma with the oats. What a difference! The oats add another layer of flavor. Yes the oats do take away some of other dry hoppiness, but it is smooth. The head on it is nice and tight. Either could add more hops or use less oats next time. The keg did get stuck with the dry hops. I will not shack the keg any more while dry hopping. I dried hoppied 3 times and had a stuck keg once and will not happen again.