I've been snooping around the internet to find what is gonna work.... My head is kinda dizzy with formulas... Sounds like the ceiling shouldn't get speakers as its too low.. 8'.... The entertainment center, if you will, will be at the opposite side from the bar area, thus, leaving about 20' of distance... I will need to put 2 zones to accomplish this, right?... I think then 2 powered sub woofers too?... I'm not looking to make my ears bleed... just to be able to have a full sound, even at a low volume.... Not a big fan of tin can speaker sounds... Before I put up my ceiling, I need to run wires from one side to the other.. I'm thinking something on the order of like computer/data wires... many pairs in one bigger wire? Sneezles61